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lot of brains but that works in the republican party. >> we'll have a bit more time in the future, paul as well. that's all for us. we hope to see you back here tomorrow night. "anderson cooper 360" 0 live in mogadishu starts right now. good evening. we're live in mogadishu, the most dangerous places on earth, the capital of somalia. a capital in name only. a failed state. an incubator for the islamic terror aimed at the west. the warriors when inflicted the worst, the terrorists here have pulled out. they're preventing children elsewhere in somalia from getting food aid. some of the concerns these kids. the united nations world food program which provides the majority of nutrition aid to somalia and refugees in kenya say the supplies are running out, so is the money.
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three weeks left or less. we're going to talk to folks on the ground. reporters that have been covering it for weeks. we begin, though, with the breaking news out of washington that may affect a lot of lives at home. senate majority leader harry reid to be one of the first to name members to the debt reduction super committee. patty murray of washington state, max baucus of montana and perry of massachusetts. wall street began to climb out of the smoking hole it dropped into after standard&poor's lowers the credit rating on friday. part of the reason, squabbling over the debt. tonight lrks the supercommittee end the squabbling or create a whole new opportunity for it. john king is sticking around for us working his sources. gloria borger has been working her sources. john, what are you hearing from
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folks in washington about the names that have been given to the democrats by the superkmeechlt. >> the first three of the committee? tonight, max baucus is the chairman of the finance committee. he's known as someone -- liberals don't like this pick because he's prepared to talk about cutting welfare. john kerry, understand, he lobbies for this spot. he's the chairman of the foreign relations committee. but he wants to have a sweeping domestic achievement. he wants to raise his stay chur. he's in the if any committee. he wanted this. senator murray has a tough dual assignment now. she's the chairwoman of the democratic senatorial campaign committee. she raises money for the democratic senate candidates.
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going to be raising money for the democrats attacking republicans probably cutting medicare on the same time supposed to be on the committee talking seriously and open mindedly about whether or not to raise taxes. that's the one drawing the fire tonight. the choice of senator murray. >> we haven't heard of the names on the republican side. do you think these three people will look at compromise. look at all options on the table? >> anderson, all of the indications are there are tough fights ahead. there could be a stalemate in this committee. but i must say, the democrats generally are very supportive of senator reid's choices. they're good experienced legislators that have been willing to be bipartisan in the past. so general happiness.
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on the republican side, there's a view these three, in particular, senator murray, are very political. that she -- not only will she be out there raising money, her number one job is to protect democrats who are up for re-election. 23 are up for re-election next year. she worked -- she's running that operation. she's very close to harry reid. she's going to protect that. people are saying we think these people are way too political. and, b, we'll put people in there not raising revenues and they're not going to have cuts in entitlements. hard cuts ahead. >> it does sound like hard cuts ahead. >> the e-mail from the republican senate leadership aid who said to me the democratic senate campaign committee chair is running against medicare reform over there. so clearly republicans don't think it's a great appointment.
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one name i heard on the republican side, anderson, from a lot of republicans in the senate that keeps coming up is senator rob port mapp. of ohio. former head of the office of management and budget. lots of people think including democrats he'd be a good balance on this committee because he knows how to reach across the aisle. with somebody like kerry or max baucus. she's there also to protect the liberal flank so that liberals can say, okay, she's going to look out for our interests on this committee. that may not bode well for results, but i think that's one of the reasons she's there.
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when do we anticipate more names on the committee. they had two weeks from the president to sign the legislation. they'll get the speakers' picks, leader pelosi's picks on the democratic side of the house. these are political leaders. you don't get to be speaker of the house of either chamber without being a politician. we know they'll have politicians. the question is, for example, no one from the gang of soix far in the senate. harry reid deciding to overpass the democrats on the gang of six. they're looking for people who are viewed as loyal to the lead leadership. the question is for all of the politics involved about senator murray, about 2012, the medicare issue, will they come together? will they have a circuit breaker? will what has happened in recent days, the debt downgrade, the demands from the market. a bigger, more credible deficit reduction package. will that provide enough moral impetus, policy impetus, to
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overcome the significant political divides on this committee? that remains a giant question mark even as we have the first three picks. >> thank you very much. a lot happening, not just here in somalia, but also in england where we've been watching rioting and more rioting tonight. follow me @andersoncooper. al shebab, what they're doing to somalia, a threat that they pose to the united states and the rest of the world. a lot coming here also tonight, the threat for kids facing starvation, facing famine in the south and even here in mogadishu. also i should say following the stories for us. what are you covering? >> the your poen, we're following the troubling news out of great britain. a fortnight of looting and rioting. a major fire burning in london. britain's other cities are
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feeling the heat. from the streets and new developments as they happen. that and much more as 360 continues. we'll always cook dinner, and cheer for our favorite team. we'll still go to meetings, make home movies, and learn new things. but how we do all this, will never be the same.
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you heard us tell you that the top supplier of food aid will be out of food in just a few weeks given the supplies they have and the current donations in the pipeline. more kids will die. too many kids have died. tens of thousands. one is too many. none of it had to happen. that's the frustrating thing. none of it is preordained. the famine is caused by one of the worst famines in 60 years, it's a catastrophe because of a group of islamic extremists called al shebab which means the youth. they've kicked them out. they're not allowing kids to be evacuated, inoculated. we're seeing kids dying of measles which is preventable. the prelude to a beheading, a christian convert. it was on-line as a warning to others. al shebab has been battling against the soldiers, part of a
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contingent of peacekeepers sent here in 2007. showing terror, some at the hands of the somali americans they've come here to kill. the aftermath recordedly by a suicide bomber in seattle. he's muammar mahmoud. he drove a car to an african union base not far from where we're coming to you tonight killing himself and 21 peacekeepers. a building close to where we were was blown up last year. another bomber blew up 29 in the united statesed nations base north of here. a couple of days ago, he was shot and killed before he could trigger his suicide vest. you can see the detonator on the jacket. had he reached that, dozens may have died. there may be dozens more out there. a young man disappear in the united states trying to train for attacks or future jihad back in the united states or elsewhere in africa and europe.
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as for here and now, al shebab has expelled foreign aid workers in the south, refusing to let them work, claiming they're spi spies. they claim the vaccines are part of a western plot to kill somalian children. it seems that al she babab had upper hand. on friday, they redrew from the capital. i was with ugandan pace keepers as they entered the city's marketplace, a place they fought and failed to reach for years now. the battle for the market has been one of the most intense here in the last few years and with al shebab's sudden departure, the battle for now seems to have changed. take a look. >> african union peacekeepers arrive in a convoy of vehicles. the commanders may have pulled
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out, but the lieutenant general is not taking any chances. he doesn't want to stay long. >> you've seen snipers. >> just this week. >> this week? >> in this building. so even though they left, there's presence of snipers. >> hiding within the community. >> shell casings littered the streets, signs of the fierce fighting that's taking place for control of the market. >> why is this so important of al shabaab, this market? >> all of the businesses, all of the munnell. >> they extorted people here. that's how they get their inning? >> they've stolen money. they've had a big deal. >> why do you think they left? >> we're pushing them to the wall. >> do you worry they're going to come back, though? >> well, i don't think they'll
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come to mogadishu again. we need more troops. the area is too large. but if you don't get troops, they're going to be gone, no doubt. >> even if they don't come back in force, they can come back with suicide bombers. >> the front, you lose the kidnapping, assassinations. >> that's what you think is the future here? >> absolutely. >> the african union peacekeepers say they control 90% of mogadishu but they rarely go on foot patrol. al shabaab may be gone but they're not defeated. they control large parts of southern somalia. they're going to return to the city. they say they're making a tactical retreat. peacekeepers are confident. they say there's no way to get back in the city. you talk to residents and
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they're not so sure. there's no way they can occupy the entire city and protect the spire city if al shabaab decides to return. the future is very much in doubt. for more than a year, the peacekeepers have been asking for 11,000 additional troops as well as air and sea support. but so far, no additional resources. >> you think there's an opportunity for the international community to rebuild mogadishu now, to move quickly? >> the time is now or never. the world has the ability today to destroy them in somalia. >> so there's an opportunity right now. time is short? >> absolutely. >> after 30 minutes in the market, the peacekeepers decide it's time to leave. they want to return to the relative safety of their base.
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night is coming, despite the gains of the last few days, mogadishu is a very dangerous place. joined by security analyst peter bergen and a correspondent who's spent a lot of time here. before we talk about al shabaab, you were caught there in a fire fight last week. you talked to the world food program who say they're running out of food. >> less than a month. >> less than a month of food supplies. >> talking about a huge shortfall. and people who aren't delivering on their pledges. >> historical situation compo d compounded with the situation of al shabaab that's the best news that occurred here, al shabaab leaving here on friday. you're in a fire fight. you were caught in the middle of
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african peacekeepers and al shabaab? what were they like? >> wouldn't say they're incredible competent. their strength comes from the fact that they hold territory. they have a presence here. and so that brings in foreign fighters from other territories like they used to come from iraq, afghanistan. and it's that training that's helped them. >> how great the vision is within el shabaab and that may be behind why they left. >> a huge issue over allowing in foreign aid groups and the way it's really eroded the grassroots support. some leaders are saying does it matter if any of them are coming in from christian countries, others are dying. others are saying we will never accept crusader aid. they're fighting among themselves and splitting the resources that are coming in to them. >> interesting, peter. it's the same mistake in error that al qaeda in iraq made that
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once they're in power people began to see how extreme they are and how unpleasant it is to live under them? >> seems to be encode in the dna of the jihadist militant groups that when they control population and territory, they impose taliban-like policies on the population that leads to their downfall. >> in terms of what they were doing to people, they have a strict interpretation of sharia law. they were beheading people, public education, torture, stonings. they're draconian to say the least. >> beyond draconian. they have triangular pastries. >> they're everywhere. >> this was on al shabaab ban list. this is half of the crucifix. these people don't have food. what little food they're going to scrounge up. we're going to get involve in how you run your kitchens now.
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>> a number of americans, not all somali nationals but a number of americans have joined al shabaab and become suicide fighters here. >> the first american suicide attacker in history is -- anderson, was somebody who killed himself in somalia and i think anderson in term of the threat for the united states or europe because of the very high death rates these fighters have in somalia. i don't seeing it being a big threat. but you can see somalia is attacked in uganda. they tried to kill a danish cartoonist in denmark in the last year or so. they showed some ability to do those operations and quite an ability to attract the americans and the europeans to come and fight in somalia. >> in terms of dangers, even if they don't come back en masse into this city which they could do despite the bravado of some of the peacekeepers here saying there's no way that could
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happen, they could come back in in big numbers in terms of suicide attacks. there's a suicide bombing in the location we're at just a few feet away from where we're standing last year. >> that's the huge concern. they will disrupt any attempt to bring about any normality to people's lives. >> are they going to come back? >> they'll give it a good go. they have a lot of support in the regions. >> they're in control of the south. >> what people forget is there's nothing for these young men. the only thing an entire generation, 21 years without a government that people in somalia know is anarchy. this is the only way to remind the world of their existence, this is the only option for them. >> extraordinary situation. appreciate your reporting. talk to you again tomorrow night. peter bergen is here. back to you, peter. >> isn't she great? i think she's a great correspondent. when we come back, the medical crisis, the largest refugee camp in the south.
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dr. sanjay gupta reports on the race to save the lives of kids there. and super model iman who was born here. ambassador to save the children. >> to hear about the population of orphans and the children, millions of them dying is beyond heart breaking, and especially as a mother. [ male announcer ] from nutritional science
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four people living here, mom and her three kids.
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it's a very small space. maybe 5.5 feet to six feet in diameter. they have an old cooking pot, a spoon they have a few plates, piled clothes, and some plastic mats to try to keep the dirt out. it's not much but the family feels lucky to be here. they arrived a month ago and they're waiting to find a more permanent settlement inside the camp. so many samalis are on the move. so many are on the move across this country. 100,000 have arrived here in mogadishu. half a million are in a refugee camp along the border with kenya where we are yesterday. the world food program is a crucial pipeline, obviously. a grim warning, the world food
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program is saying its funding and food may run out in three weeks or less. these kids don't have time to spare. these kids are on the verge of death right now. tens of thousands have died. this is what dr. sanjay gupta found kenya today. >> in the middle of the famine, the sickest of the sick come here. like ahmed, he's 6 years old and he spent ten days walking under the east africa son. his tiny prone body robbed of nutrition for so long. his doctor can only hope he arrived in time. what happens to a child like this if you weren't here? if he wasn't at this facilitfac? >> this child in a few weeks ago would lose this child. >> lose this child. >> when the doctor talks about death by starvation, i can tell you, it's neither quick nor
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painless. when you come to a place like this, you see it about everywhere. you can hear it sometimes as well. you can smell it, it's in the air. it's an acrid sweetness a reflection of the body literally starting to digest itself. little kids like ahmed simply start growing. they become stunted. the tools to save him are basic. it's not like that they have much choice, but they do work. it's something very important. this is what doctors use, a simple measuring device to see if the kid needs acute medical care. you can tell if the kid is malnourished by using this. this is ion, she's 8 months old. you put it down ten centimeters down from her shoulder. when measured. if the number comes back below 11, that means a kid is in real trouble. in ion's case, you can see here the number is about 9.5.
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that's part of the reason she's getting the feedi inings througr nose. >> ahmed is 10.5. many of the kids won't survive with a reading that low. grim duty for the only doctor caring for these children. >> i have three kids, you have a 5-year-old. >> yes. >> how do you do it? how do you see these kids who are suffering so much? >> it's difficult. ahmed was one of the estimated 600,000 kids on the brink of death by starvation. but today, that may have chan d changed.
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today ahmed may have been saved. he made it in the brink of time. >> 600,000 kids on the brink of death by starvation. this is the kind of thing that doesn't make headlines. that should be a headline in every paper around the world. 600,000 kids on the brink of starvation. what i learn trd from that piece and what we've seen in hospitals as well is it's an extraordinarily brutal way for children to die. >> there's no dignified way to talk about this. you talk about somebody starving to death, you use the fuel sources in the body, the liver, the fatty tissue, when that, it's the protein from the muscle. it's a sheer wasting away. is it quick or painless. it's wasting away. that's what this doctor and several other doctors, frankly, are trying to combat now. but they've been trying to do it
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for a long time, anderson. >> and david, right before as we came in, we showed me kind of giving a tour of a hut. that's a hut on the outskirts of the camp. there's such a backlog of such -- such large numbers of refugees that have come to the camp where you are, they can't fit in the camp. they're living on the outskirts. they don't have running water or latrines built. so if you arrive in the camp and you're alive and not malnourished, you could succumb to diseases like cholera and other things? >> there's things like water and sanitation, things that can spark disease in these camps. they're trying to push people
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out of the extended areas and move them to tented cities. at an area where 15,000 people have move in the last week. they've been brought out of the outskirts, anderson, getting registered at the tents and moving over to the camps. these camps are not great places that have the water and the help. but they will be getting it soon. there's a place where the hospital and they want ref joes to move in there. people are moving in to the camps. it's desperate. >> it's sitting empty. >> it's empty. >> yeah. >> refocused, of course, we had the empty camp. it's sitting there empty because the kenyan government wouldn't allow the desperately ill people to move if there. we focus a lot on the kids who are battling for their lives and
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who often succumb. but the children who survive long-term effects. what there long-term effects of prolonged drought, food shortages, malnutrition, and the kids that survive. >> that's a great question. because i think obviously and for good reason, there's a lot of focus on the acute needs here. trying to get kids fed appropriately. you don't want to just give large high-calorie meals. you've got to do it right. give fluids judiciously. there's a lot of new studies that show that kids who go through this chronic deprivation of food and malnourishment can have long-term effects on the brain. the brains shrink and most alarming about than study and i think a rallying cry not to let it happen in the first place is that brain shrinkage doesn't seem to get better after the food is reintroduced. the kids live with that for a long time. and the effect on the brain, that can last their entire lives. the consequences of that are still not clear -- not
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completely known, but just think about that. this period of their life is so important for their brain development, and they're just not getting the nutrients and the food they need. >> kids here whose lives are being changed. talk to you tomorrow night. my interview with supermodel iman. she was born here in somalia, mogadishu. we'll talk to her. breaking news in london where 16,000 police are on the streets trying to put an end to the riots. the problem is not just in london, it's in manchester. details ahead. you give us your information once, online... [ whirring and beeping ] [ ding! ] and we give you a discount on both. sort of like two in one. how did you guys think of that? it just came to us.
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take a look at this. this is london. the second world war. the burned out homes.
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the fire bombed buildings are london today after three days of rioting. the city is calmer. a store set on fire in the center of town. london has taken the worst of it. no doubt about that. it began on saturday after the shooting death of a 29-year-old black man last week. rampaging moms, mostly young, with no clear agenda. these pictures iconic from a building in the london suburb. a woman trapped by the fire with only one way out. she jumped. she was caught. the building went up in flames. those who didn't burn were vandalized, looted.
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the bbc reporting a crew confronted outside of manchester. late last night in london, it was cnn's dan rivers. watch. >> they decided, right, we're going to hold that line mind us. we have to move. well -- if you can still hear me, we're having a few bottles thrown at us. we're okay. that is the danger. as soon as people stray down this road, it erupts in violence. >> and when the violence stops, some people fell victim or victimized yet again. i want to show you a moment that was posted on youtube of a beating victim and the people who were pretending to help him. watch this. >> they're actually helping him. oh, my god.
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they're going through his bag. oh! he just took something from his bag. >> just sickening. as we said, london is quieter tonight. it's the good news. they put 10,000 more police on the streets today. the police have been a lot more aggressive on the streets. vacations are cancelled. hundreds of people have been arrested. the jails are filling up. prime minister returning back from vacation calling back parliament, promising to get tough. >> these are sickening scenes, scenes of people looting, vandalizing, thieving, robbing. scenes of people attacking
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police officers and even attacking fire crews as they're trying to put out fires. this is criminality pure and simple and it has to be confronted and defeated. steven douglas is in manchester. i spoke to him before air time. >> steven, what's the latest in manchester? >> the riots going on in the uk for the last few days are well and truly spread outside of the capital now. the manchester police say this the worst kind of violence like this that they've seen in more than 30 years. let's take you through what we've witnessed tonight. this started on the outskirts of the city. looting. the policemen came in after that. running battles happened between the police and large groups of youth who then proceeded to force the police back, smashed
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their way to the shop. that shop is on fire. talking about big shops here. big department stores. not being spread into the center of manchester when a lot of these youths are getting together using social networking sites came in to the center of manchester and started attacking big department stores there or having a running battle with the police there. what has to be said, what stands out is this particular message. it was rising violence for the sake of trying to -- trying to loot, trying to steal. and it appears that just trying to attack the police. >> so you're saying at one point, police were kind of pushed back. are they in control right now in manchester? >> i would say they're in control now. it takes them one hour to get there. they abandoned them in the area.
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there were fires everywhere, people going to shops. taking things as they wanted. not being stopped. it took quite sometime for the police to get it under control. >> had manchester bolstered the numbers of police? all day we heard how they were going to be bolstering the number of police? >> this is an interesting point. because great er greater manche police linked the officers in london prepared for potential riots in london tonight. there were questions directed to the greater manchester police that the scene might have been predicted that violence might stir up here. one of biggest forces in the country outside of london weaken its force. why weren't they prepared for what's been happening to be honest in a lot of places across
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the country. >> see what happens tomorrow there. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> aisha joins us with more. isha? >> major rebound. the stock closed above 11,000 adding 430 points or 4%. the s&p up sharply. the rallies came after the federal reserve said it plans to keep interest rates exceptionally low until 2013. due to the weak economy. there's word that the united states is moving towards calling for syria's president to step down. according to multiple sources, the move is expected after the u.n. consults with the u.n. security council in the coming days. syria's crackdown on anti-government protesters is in the fifth month. president obama met two military planes carrying the remains of 30 u.s. service members killed when the
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helicopter was shot down in afghanistan. 22 were navy seals. a jury sentences warren jeffs to life in prison for 20 years for two girls he claimed were his wives, their ages, 12 and 14. jeffs will serve 45 years behind bars before he's eligible for release. ocean swell, shoulder pain, and asthma forced diana nyasin to stop swimming without the shark cage. she stopped halfway through the 103-mile swim, 29 hours of the start. it wasn't to be. >> well, it wassen to be. what a brave lady. incredible effort. here's piers morgan with a look of what's coming up on "piers morgan" tonight.
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>> 16,000 police on the streets of the hometown london. that may not be enough to restore order. who's to blame and what violence in the uk? another day of wild wall street gyration, the dow closes up. the biggest gain of the year is one day off of the biggest loss of the year. i'll ask people who know the market what it means for your money. dan rather, the veteran newsman that's covered every veteran since john f. kennedy what he thinks what's going on in washington and wall street. all that at the top of the hour. anderson, back to you. >> piers, thank you very much. i remember 19 years ago this month, no, 19 years ago a couple of months from now standing not too far from here, the airport in mogadishu, watching dan rather reporting. up next, the big 60 interview with iman, the world famous supermodel born in somalia. she's concerned the world is not doing enough to end the suffering of the somalis here.
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as we reported, the primary food agency feeding the people in somalia, the world food program, said they're running out of time and money. they're going to run in to trouble in about three weeks. look at the basic cost for feeding them. peanuts and milk powder. amazing source of food. they can bring kids back from the brink of death. $1 per day per person. the high-energy biscuits, 12 cents per packet. one woman who's concerned is supermodel iman. in an article published sunday, iman called for governments around the world to give money for relief organizations before
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this wipes out the somalis. iman is the big 60 interview tonight. what is it like to see the images and know what's happening there? >> heart breaking for more ways than one. and the recent one is i was in 1992 in somalia. i made a a bbc documentary on that famine. to hear about this famine so early, it's heart breaking, and the images are even more disturbing than the last one, but i don't want to belittle it, but the last one, 250,000 people died. when we have already overexceeded that. and my fear is about the children. we hear 1 million children are
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at stake at losing their lives. >> the other thing that's so frustrating and angering is that this was preventable. it's not as if this was a complete surprise. people are talking about the drought for many, many months. the possibility of famine and a malnutrition crisis, yet, it's not until we start to see the pictures that people start to mobilize and donate money. >> i want people to understand how this works. because in 1992, when i was there for the last famine serve, all the ngos on the ground were talking consistently about how there should be warning signs, safety nets, be put in place so this doesn't happen again. so when i hear about the warn g signs of the drought were predicted in november last year. the warning signs did not bring really urgent actions. >> and ratings will not be
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coming for will not be coming soon. they fled areas long ago because of al shabaab were kicked out saying they were spies and killing people trying to do vaccinations. many things compounded this. people saw this coming and were not able to mobilize world attention and i guess the media plays a role in all of that what do you want the world to know now. what they hear about in somalia and what is happening here? >> what i would like to see is the united nations, the international community, the arab world to step up and really start thinking about the need of
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food. that's the urgency of it now. that's what i would like people to know and want the international community to think about is the long term. i want the communities to be able to be able to feed themselves. i want people to be able to help local communities so they become self-sufficient so there's not this food aid on a constant basis. more importantly, as you said, regardless of the conflict and the political issue that's happening in somalia. what's happening for effect, for effect, that it is a humanitarian catastrophe, and this famine will be remembered as a famine that has destroyed generations of children. we have -- i think we have are place now that we can turn it around. nobody knows this more than you,
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and erson is that there's a generation of children that will be wiped out. this is a catastrophe that is preventable but not not salvageable. >> thank you for coming on tonight. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> you can see my entire interview with iman on our website, ac360.com. you can find information on how to help people suffering in this famine if you would like to. we'll be right back. helping remove deposits and cleaning up intake valves. so when you fill up at an exxon or mobil station, you can rest assured we help your engine run more smoothly while leaving behind cleaner emissions. it's how we make gasoline work harder for you. exxon and mobil.
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and welcome back. we're live in mogadishu. this is one of the most strangest cities on earth. this is what a city looks like after 21 years of fighting, of war. this catastrophe, this crisis that's occurring here. it was a crisis because of the drought, the worst drought in 60 years but it's become a catastrophe because of al shabaab, the terrorist group which has battled for control of the country since 2007. they control the south of the country. here in bomogadishu, they just left. that left an opportunity for the people here to change the future of this country. i was here in 1992 in a town where 100 peo

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